tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post1004770917420207764..comments2024-03-22T06:21:16.897-07:00Comments on JJ's Wargames: Talavera 208 - Bassecourts Spanish 5th Division, 2nd Battalion, Murcia Regimentcarojonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11826580638291659193noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-14080450228308193462017-04-15T10:37:51.806-07:002017-04-15T10:37:51.806-07:00Another great looking white clad unit and got to l...Another great looking white clad unit and got to love a bicorne wearing Spanish force! <br />Best Iain caveadsum1471https://www.blogger.com/profile/02174163740406928172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-35830638128838110702017-04-14T15:49:24.021-07:002017-04-14T15:49:24.021-07:00Hi Jonathan, yes I know what you mean. The bicorne...Hi Jonathan, yes I know what you mean. The bicornes and white really draw the eye and en mass should look great on the table. Divisional parade will follow on completion of the Siguenza Militia.carojonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11826580638291659193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-80592862825956234012017-04-14T10:10:22.040-07:002017-04-14T10:10:22.040-07:00Another fine Spanish unit takes the field! I real...Another fine Spanish unit takes the field! I really like the early Spanish white uniforms with bicorne. Stylish!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-68141812717268276072017-04-14T07:08:29.198-07:002017-04-14T07:08:29.198-07:00Good thoughts. In AOE its all brigades and divisio...Good thoughts. In AOE its all brigades and divisions with brigade commanders not separate leader stands but part of the brigade. One big divisional size brigade doesn't really work so well, but I'm thinking a minus (poor Spanish militia, already disfunctional!!) on the divisional commander's effect might work.<br />I'm finding in gaming the Spanish, it's remarkable how much you can improve on the historical record simply by commanding them intelligently. But yes, in Talavera the Spanish will most likely be effective if they simply stay put.Bill Slavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056237500818603134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-18911729391699922272017-04-13T23:48:13.816-07:002017-04-13T23:48:13.816-07:00Thanks Carlo. The full effect will be achieved whe...Thanks Carlo. The full effect will be achieved when you see the division together and the eye gets an overload of detail and colour.carojonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11826580638291659193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-76487845333710826392017-04-13T23:46:45.907-07:002017-04-13T23:46:45.907-07:00Cheers Phil, yes the Spanish infantry and cavalry ...Cheers Phil, yes the Spanish infantry and cavalry on the extreme left flank of the allied line will certainly add a splash of colour and style.carojonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11826580638291659193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-22668671642407565172017-04-13T23:44:05.089-07:002017-04-13T23:44:05.089-07:00Cheers Bill.
Good point about fighting with Spanis...Cheers Bill.<br />Good point about fighting with Spanish and their rather unwieldy divisional structure. I think this element along with never being quite sure which Spanish army has turned up, ie the one that fights to the last man, last bullet or the one that turns tail at the first skirmish, makes the Spanish such fun and such a challenge to game with.<br /><br />So Bassecourt will look to control his seven battalions which would normally fall under the control of two brigade commanders and a divisional commander in the French or British set up.<br /><br />The way I model it under C&G II is to treat Bassecourt's command base as a hybrid between a brigade commander and a divisional commander having a slightly larger command radius than the later. This forces the Spanish player to adopt a two unit deep formation when in line, which is what they would have had to do. You then hope to be able to perform a passage of lines to replace your shot up forward battalions who have had to take the brunt of French skirmishers with your fresher rearward battalions who take the fight to the French columns.<br /><br />The point of the Spanish at Talavera is not to put them into battle but to keep them as a force in being to threaten French formations already battered by the British or to threaten French flanks as they try to manoeuvre the British out of position. However I know I am dealing with wargamers here so I can't assume that is how they will be used on the day!carojonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11826580638291659193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-71539155549656047022017-04-13T17:11:08.098-07:002017-04-13T17:11:08.098-07:00Fantastic work JJ - great looking figures and beau...Fantastic work JJ - great looking figures and beautifully painted.Carlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17002425294986020268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-35422979686024742372017-04-13T08:00:51.833-07:002017-04-13T08:00:51.833-07:00Another great post...and these Spanish uniforms ar...Another great post...and these Spanish uniforms are so nice...Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08913029478686087197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2591229843590982581.post-52561962889006284752017-04-13T07:48:32.485-07:002017-04-13T07:48:32.485-07:00A always, fascinating stuff. Thanks for this.
I...A always, fascinating stuff. Thanks for this.<br />I'm just in the process of putting together a scenario for the battle at Tudela and it's interesting that these troops were there (and unengaged!) with LapeƱa at Cascante<br />I will be curious to see how you organize your Spanish for Talvera. It's my understanding that although the Spanish are never listed at anything below division level they would still form ad hoc brigades. It's always a challenge in scenario design as to how to break those divisions down, at least with rules that revolve around brigade level units.Bill Slavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056237500818603134noreply@blogger.com